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polimicksI have a couple of points to make:
If your treating other people as human beings is dependent on whether or not *I'm* nice to you or swear, you already lose.
If your opening gambit is that my salty language has offended your tender ears and I should be nicer to you, you already lose.
And that "more flies with honey than vinegar" thing is a bullshit cop out. Because being well-behaved and tractable has done soooooo much for movements like Feminism in the past. Uh, huh... Yup. You know that quote, "Well-behaved women seldom make history?" Well, they rarely get treated as more than doormats either.
I would like to bring your attention to the following link on the Tone Argument: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument
See, calling someone out on their tone is a DERAILING TACTIC. It essentially means that you can't ACTUALLY refute their argument, so you're going to pick on HOW they said it, versus WHAT they said.
"If you *Fatties/POC/Women/Gays* would just be nicer about it, maybe we'd listen to you."
Yeah, and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt. This is you looking, searching, working for a reason to discount something you don't understand, don't get, don't agree with or can't win because it hurts your fee-fees or bothers you for some other bizarre reason.
And, as I've found repeatedly, if you ARE nice, then they demand you be less emotional, or my favorite, demand that you quit burying them in citations. Yes, I've gotten all of these demands here in various posts.
Which brings me to my third point: If you feel attacked by an entry here, you probably have a reason to. It's like when I wrote a GGR entry about Mansplaining. If your first response is to go "Nuh, uh!" and tell me all about how I'm wrong, then you're probably a Mansplainer.
See, I've never met any of our last round of anonymous trolls (as opposed to trolls in the past who I had met, and who were just really, really bad at disguising their identities), so I couldn't have been speaking directly to them, but guilty consciences will out. If a post calling for you to treat all people as people regardless of whether or not you find them fuckable makes you feel bad? It probably means that you don't treat people like people unless you find them fuckable.
And, as I've said before, that is the mark of the asshole.
So are bullshit derailing tactics like the Tone Argument, StrawMen, Bait and Switch... You can find the wiki article with Google as easily as I can.
Nevermind the sheer chutzpah of coming into MY space to demand that *I* cater to *YOUR* needs because you obviously know better than I do how to do Feminism or scholarship (ha ha ha haaaaa!!!).*
So here's the deal. I won't go into your "guy/thin/straight/Republican" only spaces and demand you cave to my delicate prairie flower sensibilities in your space, return the favor.
That said, I don't mind debate, actual, honest debate. I do mind derailing in all of it's forms.
So kindly do us all a favor and go fuck yourself, kthnxbye.
*The idea that "scholars" don't swear is fucking laughable. You should have heard all the grad students in the history department when we'd get geared up in seminar. Holy shit, if you think my 12 swear words in the last post was bad, those seminars would have sent you running for the hills.
If your treating other people as human beings is dependent on whether or not *I'm* nice to you or swear, you already lose.
If your opening gambit is that my salty language has offended your tender ears and I should be nicer to you, you already lose.
And that "more flies with honey than vinegar" thing is a bullshit cop out. Because being well-behaved and tractable has done soooooo much for movements like Feminism in the past. Uh, huh... Yup. You know that quote, "Well-behaved women seldom make history?" Well, they rarely get treated as more than doormats either.
I would like to bring your attention to the following link on the Tone Argument: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument
See, calling someone out on their tone is a DERAILING TACTIC. It essentially means that you can't ACTUALLY refute their argument, so you're going to pick on HOW they said it, versus WHAT they said.
"If you *Fatties/POC/Women/Gays* would just be nicer about it, maybe we'd listen to you."
Yeah, and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt. This is you looking, searching, working for a reason to discount something you don't understand, don't get, don't agree with or can't win because it hurts your fee-fees or bothers you for some other bizarre reason.
And, as I've found repeatedly, if you ARE nice, then they demand you be less emotional, or my favorite, demand that you quit burying them in citations. Yes, I've gotten all of these demands here in various posts.
Which brings me to my third point: If you feel attacked by an entry here, you probably have a reason to. It's like when I wrote a GGR entry about Mansplaining. If your first response is to go "Nuh, uh!" and tell me all about how I'm wrong, then you're probably a Mansplainer.
See, I've never met any of our last round of anonymous trolls (as opposed to trolls in the past who I had met, and who were just really, really bad at disguising their identities), so I couldn't have been speaking directly to them, but guilty consciences will out. If a post calling for you to treat all people as people regardless of whether or not you find them fuckable makes you feel bad? It probably means that you don't treat people like people unless you find them fuckable.
And, as I've said before, that is the mark of the asshole.
So are bullshit derailing tactics like the Tone Argument, StrawMen, Bait and Switch... You can find the wiki article with Google as easily as I can.
Nevermind the sheer chutzpah of coming into MY space to demand that *I* cater to *YOUR* needs because you obviously know better than I do how to do Feminism or scholarship (ha ha ha haaaaa!!!).*
So here's the deal. I won't go into your "guy/thin/straight/Republican" only spaces and demand you cave to my delicate prairie flower sensibilities in your space, return the favor.
That said, I don't mind debate, actual, honest debate. I do mind derailing in all of it's forms.
So kindly do us all a favor and go fuck yourself, kthnxbye.
*The idea that "scholars" don't swear is fucking laughable. You should have heard all the grad students in the history department when we'd get geared up in seminar. Holy shit, if you think my 12 swear words in the last post was bad, those seminars would have sent you running for the hills.
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Just a thank you for these
Date: 2010-02-25 05:13 am (UTC)Re: Just a thank you for these
Date: 2010-02-25 05:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-02-25 05:51 am (UTC)Hah. I've been at conferences before, where I wasn't sure if it was an academic conference or a hockey game. No, I take that back. There's less fighting in the NHL these days.
Re: Just a thank you for these
Date: 2010-02-25 05:52 am (UTC)I am so glad I found this blog!
Date: 2010-02-25 06:05 am (UTC)Re: Just a thank you for these
Date: 2010-02-25 06:27 am (UTC)I asked a friend who he was - he's on her FB friend's list. "Some guy, I think I met him at a party once. I he's the boyfriend of someone I know. Maybe. He's an ass and I ignore him because he's a troll."
I was quite pleased with myself when I spotted his entitlement issues - he couldn't afford the book I pointed out was worth reading. When I pointed out that the copy I read came from a library, which is known for free books, his next excuse was that he didn't have the time to read a book that would draw conclusions he didn't agree with, so I should explain it to him. I gave him the book's thesis - which wasn't enough. Apparently I should have cited sources. *eyeroll* His posts were full of veiled insults, and my taking umbrage at personal attacks was me being to sensitive.
I got GF points for walking away.
OT, Re your icon
Date: 2010-02-25 06:28 am (UTC)Re: I am so glad I found this blog!
Date: 2010-02-25 02:15 pm (UTC)Re: Just a thank you for these
Date: 2010-02-25 06:05 pm (UTC)