You are correct, conservatives often refer to a romanticised version of the past, and those of them who don't are often pro-choice anyway.
Neither do I understand their opposition to subsidised childcare or healthcare.
Neither do I believe that lies are a good idea.
At the same time, it seems to me that when you accuse pro-lifers of a sadistic desire to punish women for, I'm guessing free fucking, you are ignoring not only what I've said about the possible benefits of limiting individual freedoms, and not only the parts of the conservative agenda that limit the sexual freedoms of men, but also the fact that many pro-life proponents are women.
If you wish to argue that those women are ignorant servants of the patriarchy, then you may do so, but you will get a laugh from most of them, as they tell you exactly what they think of various facets of secular liberal society that you yourself find problematic without quite making the connection between them and your civil positions. I've seen traditional societies. "Lookism" and self-image are arguably less of a problem, for instance.
It's not that I think that western liberal societies are not in many ways the best form of society there ever was. But I don't think that people who oppose some of its features are necessarily evil or stupid.
I'll tell you why I bother to say all this. It is because some republicans have some good things to say. And the knee-jerk reaction to anything that carries a conservative label or comes from the general direction of the political right that many Lefties have is therefore very unhelpful.
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Neither do I understand their opposition to subsidised childcare or healthcare.
Neither do I believe that lies are a good idea.
At the same time, it seems to me that when you accuse pro-lifers of a sadistic desire to punish women for, I'm guessing free fucking, you are ignoring not only what I've said about the possible benefits of limiting individual freedoms, and not only the parts of the conservative agenda that limit the sexual freedoms of men, but also the fact that many pro-life proponents are women.
If you wish to argue that those women are ignorant servants of the patriarchy, then you may do so, but you will get a laugh from most of them, as they tell you exactly what they think of various facets of secular liberal society that you yourself find problematic without quite making the connection between them and your civil positions. I've seen traditional societies. "Lookism" and self-image are arguably less of a problem, for instance.
It's not that I think that western liberal societies are not in many ways the best form of society there ever was. But I don't think that people who oppose some of its features are necessarily evil or stupid.
I'll tell you why I bother to say all this. It is because some republicans have some good things to say. And the knee-jerk reaction to anything that carries a conservative label or comes from the general direction of the political right that many Lefties have is therefore very unhelpful.