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I wish the Democrats would grow a set when it comes to women's rights. You know, instead of just throwing us under the fucking bus.

And fuck Stupak. Asshole, forced birther mother-fucker.

http://youngfeministtaskforce.blogspot.com/2010/03/president-obama-breaks-faith-with-women.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-21/obamas-failed-promise/

Yeah, Democrats, I know you think, "Well, where else are women going to go? We don't have to keep any promises, or even treat them like human beings as long as the Republicans are worse."

Fuck you. Fuck you. FUCK YOU!!!

GAH! I am too pissed off to be articulate. More later.

Date: 2010-03-22 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayeshadream.livejournal.com
What he finally gave stupak wasn't anything more than a re-iteration of a 1976 bill still on the books that federal funds won't be used for abortion.

Do I think it should be treated like any other procedure? Hell yes, but at this point I heave a HUGE sigh of relief that they got it passed. It's not perfect by any means, I'd much prefer there be a flat out public option and making it a requirement may have appeased the health insurance industry somewhat, but it's going to shoot them in the foot with voters.

There will still be modifications, we'll see what finally comes out of the senate squeezings.

Date: 2010-03-22 04:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] evilmagnus
OK, so Stupak is an asshole. No argument there. But ... my read of the executive order is that it does nothing that isn't already law. Sure, it would've been awesome if Obama and the House could have clawed back some of that stupid Hyde Amendment ... but they didn't expand it, either. We're still where we were on Friday, with no Federal money being able to be spent on abortions. The only difference is now we have other health care reform, too. The Executive Order was a fig leaf to let Stupak dig himself out of his pit of stupidity.

Date: 2010-03-22 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polimicks.livejournal.com
The language actually expands the Hyde Amendment into the private insurance exchanges that the Health Care reform bill. It isn't just re-iterating the Hyde amendment.

Date: 2010-03-23 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kurosau.livejournal.com
Actually, it is reiterating what was already in the bill to begin with. It is literally an executive order that says 'the federal ban on funding for abortion elements that are already in the bill are in fact already in the bill'.

Date: 2010-03-22 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acrimonyastraea.livejournal.com
Because I'm tired of this "it's no big deal it's already the law" argument:

From NOW: "President Obama made an eleventh-hour agreement to issue an executive order lending the weight of his office to the anti-abortion measures included in the bill. This move was designed to appease a handful of anti-choice Democrats who have held up health care reform in an effort to restrict women's access to abortion. This executive order helps to cement the misconception that the Hyde Amendment is settled law rather than what it really is -- an illegitimate tack-on to an annual must-pass appropriations bill. It also sends the outrageous message that it is acceptable to negotiate health care reform on the backs of women."

The Hyde Amendment is not a bill, but an amendment that must be renewed each year. One that Obama campaigned against.

Date: 2010-03-22 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acrimonyastraea.livejournal.com
Which is to say I totally agree with the OP.

Date: 2010-03-23 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kurosau.livejournal.com
And yeah, it totally sucks. We should get rid of the Hyde Amendment. We should provide federal funding for abortion. But we'll have to get to Stupak and his types another day. And it's that much more likely now that we've signed into law the idea that all of us deserve health care.

Date: 2010-03-23 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] palereverie.livejournal.com
I absolutely hate this complacent idea that we should support the lesser of two evils. It's rampant in the LBGT community as well-Dems are better to us than most Republicans, so as long as they aren't screaming we're going to burn in hell or saying we should stay in the kitchen it's okay if they treat us like expendable pieces of shit that they have no responsibility or obligation to uphold their promises to.

in other words, agreeing with this post entirely.

Date: 2010-03-23 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mojrim.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, taking the leser evil is a basic of politics. Government does not exit to acheive truth and justice, it exists to resolve conflicts between interest groups. If ANYONE is actually happy with a new law it's certain to be wrong headed and dangerous.

Date: 2010-03-23 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polimicks.livejournal.com
Women are not an "interest group." Women are over half the population, and it would be fucking nice if the government recognized that.

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